Gratis on the question: Christianity, is it a real faith or the greatest hoax

All of the oracles of God where given to the Jew first, count yourself lucky, God in Jewish form, died on a cross (murdered by his own people) so that you may could be grafted into the olive branch AKA Israel. You only make yourselves look like poor deluded brainwashed homosexual Hitler youth when you rail against the Jew the way you all do. 

The Lord has clearly led me here to talk some sense into you all he also seems to have placed a bit of soft spot in my heart for you all too, which is truly miraculous, I'm sure you will agree.

Rom 3:1 ¶ What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them (The Jews) were committed the oracles of God.

Written by Paul a Jew about the Jews to the Jews and the Gentiles

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Written By Paul a Jew, about Moses, a Jew, about the Commandments for the Jews.

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Written by an unknown Author (Possibly Paul) but definitely a Jew/Hebrew for the Jews/Hebrews. You may not eat pork but your spiritual meat is clearly taken out of a rotten dead carcass and you drink from a broken cistern.

I'm not here for "debates" I am here to speak truth from the oracles of God given the the Jew first and then the gentile and to spread the knowledge of the truth and the power unto salvation. 

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel The Jew hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Some Jews believed in Christ has the Messiah most did not and have been blind unto this day. The Jew is no different to any other race who have rejected Christ. The WORLD is blinded and there will be and even greater strong delusion to come.

Anti Jewish rhetoric is from an anti-Christ spirit and it will repel people from the joy and the glad tiding of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. We must be about our Fathers business leading the Lost to Christ, time is short, there is no time for bickering and hate speech.

Judah is the root word of the word Jew.  

Esau and Jacob were both Jews as was Jesus Christ. However Jesus Christ was also God, who chose to come in Jewish form, I worship God not man.

The Lord will redeem His people again, Israel, heaven will be full of Jews but don't worry, you will be in hell.

It was Jacob who deceived Issac not Essau.  It was done for power and wealth led on by Esau's mother. Greed Envy Jealousy . Why else?

At the time of Christ there where only about 6000 Pharisees, This is whom Jesus was Speaking. He was not addressing the Hebrew/Israel/Jew

Acts 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

Acts 23:6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.

Phl 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

Now as you know I go by the bible, I'm not concerned with ones views or opinions on my bible, but these three scriptures ALL Paul, the greatest Christian that ever lived (to you lay false allegation of "infiltration" yes him, well he state that he is Israel/Hebrew/Jew/Tribe Of Benjamin/Pharisee and is proud of it.

So clearly, biblically speaking, A Jew is Hebrew of the nation of Israel. Okay? Moving on. Oh this would make Abraham a Jew also of course, and Christ 

Judaism as a religion didn't exist until recently. Judaism is a cult religion it's not what ancient Israel practised and neither did the Pharisee's 

The word is Ioudaios 2453
1) Jewish, belonging to the Jewish nation
2) Jewish as respects to birth, origin, religion

In other words, the biblical Jew is not Judaism. And clearly as Paul was from Tarsus and not Judah as you point out, clearly then term Jew (Ioudaios) doesn't mean from Judea, however people who lived in Judea where apparently referred to as Jews a well, but so what?. Christ did not practice or teach Judaism and nothing in the bible does either. The Old Testament is not Judaism, it is Christianity. The true biblical Jew is a Christian. Adam and Eve were Christian after the fall, they received forgiveness through the sacrifice of an Animal and the promise of Christ coming to defeat Satan. 

Rightly or wrongly the term "Jew" is a well known interchangeable term for Hebrew and the people and the nation of Israel. I think we can get entwined in the practice of semantic gymnastics over this word. So much so that when we untangle ourselves, you and I, for the most part agree on many things. However I feel it is wrong to say that Ioudaios means the practice of Judaism because it means nothing of the sort. The religion of the ancient Hebrew/Jew was not Judaism. They where Worshipers of Yahweh just like you and I and they awaited their redeemer Messiah, they looked forward to Christ coming whilst we look back. God has always welcomed people of all nations into his family of faith. 

The church AKA the Christian is not Israel, it never was. The Church was built on the Apostle Peter the first to recognise Christ as God in the flesh and believe, so I'm sorry you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base with who you think Israel as far as scripture is concerned. Israle are NOT THE CHURCH and ISRALE have STILL not yet believed or recognised Christ as the Messiah yet. And further more YOU don't have a bible. I do and I know what it says in there coz I've read millions of times.

This has to be an error if paul is a benjamite and a citizen of tarsus.

[/quote] WHY?

Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

Abraham is the father of the Christian Faith not Judaism, you are aware the Bible AKA the 66 books is a christian document are you not? It belongs firmly in the grip of Christendom, no where else. It is our Word of God. The word of God is for the believer it is of no use to ANYONE ELSE. You can start fires with it's pages or wipe your bottom on them for all I care, but don't cut and paste it to back up you heresy because on my watch it ain't gonna wash. 

Nation = Gowy (sound s bit like goyim doesn't it?

1) nation, people
a) nation, people
1) usually of non-Hebrew people
2) of descendants of Abraham
3) of Israel

Catweasel, Cunctator, Gratis, Remo Williams debate: Which Bible?

Catweasel (http://ezekiel31army.blogspot.com/) wrote:http://freethoughtnation.com/contributi ... tions.html

This is John Romer "Testament" The Bible and History from the Book by the same name
This Book changed my Life and perception of things



Other Reads: Messianic Legacy-Michael Baigent
Dead Sea Scrolls Deception-Michael Baigent&Richard Leigh
The Jesus Papers-Michael Baigent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Papers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_S ... _Deception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_B ... Holy_Grail 

Cunctator's response:

I am afraid that you have fallen victim to the gnostic lie by which Satan has been attempting to pervert the Word of God from the beginning. You will recall that in the book of Genesis is outlined the history of the fall of mankind. God had said: 

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:17).

Satan, shrewdly picking the 'correct' target from his point of view, aproached the weaker vessel (I Timothy 2:14; I Peter 3:7) and disputed this divine commandment. He spoke as he did to the first woman because he is the spirit of pride, rebellion and envy incarnate, and he cannot abide for others of God's creation to be obedient to our Creator - he wants us to worship him instead:

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (Genesis 3:4-6)

This is the essence of gnosticism. It is an appeal to the senses - "when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes" - which masquerades as a desire for superior knowledge or enlightenment. It appeals to that side of our nature which is ever willing to reject what we know to be true and right for the sake of fleeting sensual pleasures. It leads ultimately to each person making himself a god who sets for himself at any given moment the standard of what is right and wrong rather than abiding by the immutable God-given standard of right and wrong which is implanted in each of us - as triune beings consisting of body, soul and spirit made in the image of God - at birth.

This tendency has been described thusly in the Jewish Encyclopedia article on Jewish Gnosticism: 

"Jewish gnosticism unquestionably antedates Christianity, for Biblical exegesis had already reached an age of five hundred years by the first century C.E. Judaism had been in close contact with Babylonian-Persian ideas for at least that length of time, and for nearly as long a period with Hellenistic ideas. Magic, also, which, as will be shown further on, was a not unimportant part of the doctrines and manifestations of gnosticism, largely occupied Jewish thinkers. There is, in general, no circle of ideas to which elements of gnosticism have been traced, and with which the Jews were not acquainted. It is a noteworthy fact that heads of gnostic schools and founders of gnostic systems are designated as Jews by the Church Fathers. Some derive all heresies, including those of gnosticism, from Judaism (Hegesippus in Eusebius, "Hist. Eccl." iv. 22; comp. Harnack, "Dogmengesch." 3d ed. i. 232, note 1). It must furthermore be noted that Hebrew words and names of God provide the skeleton for several gnostic systems. Christians or Jews converted from paganism would have used as the foundation of their systems terms borrowed from the Greek or Syrian translations of the Bible. This fact proves at least that the principal elements of gnosticism were derived from Jewish speculation, while it does not preclude the possibility of new wine having been poured into old bottles." 

The gnostics of the early centuries claimed to possess a secret oral tradition from Jesus himself, just as all the writings you reference above claim to be in on some secret known only to the adept. This is false, because contradicted by the doctrine of the sufficiency of scripture (2 Timothy 3:15-17 and Jude v3). There can be no "secret doctrine", no knowledge available only to the 'enlightened ones'. God has made available to us his full and complete revelation - "the faith which was once delivered unto the saints" according to the inspired prophet Jude - and if we are to be content with and obey that we shall live, just as Adam and Eve would have lived for ever in fellowship with their Creator had they obeyed God's commandment as to what not to eat in the garden, rather than allowing themselves to be turned away by the subtle incitements of the serpent.

The Baigent/Leigh/Dan Brown holy-grail-as-Jesus'-bloodline-and-additional-Merovingian-hocus-pocus is pure gnosticism by way of the Templars and their modern day successors the Freemasons, who of course recieved their knowledge from the usual source. This “secret doctrine” is in its popular literary and cinematic manifestations merely a watered down version of the hideous and truly Satanic doctrines which are revealed only to the true adepts of the cabala, such as Jewish rabbis and the illuminized 'Noahide' - yet more "secret doctrine" claptrap based on the lie that Noah transmitted a set of oral commandments that are binding on mankind even though they were not recorded in the Old Testament - masons of the 32nd and 33rd degree. No matter how seemingly powerful the latter, they are only 'Jews' on sufferance, and will be disposed of per the Protocols as soon as the plans of the synagogue of Satan are fully realized. As for the teeming masses who think The Da Vinci Code is "a good read that raises some important questions", they are unwittingly allowing themselves to be beguiled by the serpent just as Eve was. 

Once we put our faith in "secret doctrines" in which we have been initiated because we are 'special' or 'chosen' we are become guilty of the same prideful conceit that was Satan's downfall. We also demonstrate therein that we lack faith in the Jesus who "hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (II Peter 1:3) and who informed his Jewish inquisitors that "I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing" (John 18:20). 

Old Testament
Deuteronomy 19:15 teaches us that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established. This is quoted in the New Testament in Matthew 18:16 and II Corinthians 13:1. Which means that every Old Testament book that is subsequently quoted by another witness (Jesus and/or the inspired apostles and prophets in the New Testament) is thereby confirmed as the being the word of God. If we accept that Ezra and Nehemiah were originally one scroll, and thus the same book, then we have New Testament confirmation for every single Old Testament book but one: the book of Esther, which is obviously a later Jewish forgery. 

And it is a forgery which bears the mark of its inspirer Satan on its forehead for it does not once mention or even allude to God - the only book in the whole Bible which does not do so. It also mandates a religious festival, Purim, which is clearly unauthorized because not sanctioned by the only authorized lawgiver before our Lord Jesus Christ, Moses. Little surprise then that the apostate Jews who celebrate this supposedly religious festival today do so in the most debauched way, making themselves blind drunk; screaming abuse at effigies both of the mythical Haman and those more recent Hamans of their global propaganda machine, Adolf Shicklegruber and Saddam Hussein; giving vent to their cannibalistic instincts by eating jam filled pastries known as Hamantaschen (Haman's ears); and so on. Purim is the Jewish Mardi Gras and occurs at the same time of year. No surprise then that there is no mention of it in the New Testament. Purim celebrates the bloodlust of the Jews and this is why so many cases of ritual murder in scores of different jurisdictions down through the centuries have been uncovered at the time of the year when this bacchanalia is 'celebrated'. 

That a religious elite sufficiently degraded as to not even notice that there was nothing of spiritual value to be gleaned from the adventures of a courtesan of the Monica Lewinsky/Chandra Levy type, and sufficiently depraved as to not discern that genuine seekers after divine truth might take umbrage at this pagan-derived haggadic whimsy, tallies well with the spiritual poverty that Jesus discovered in the same perverts (Matthew 15:1-9) during His ministry. 

All the deliverances of the people of Israel that we see throughout the Old Testament, for instance in the time of Moses, Aaron and Joshua, and later in the time of Elijah and Elisha, had come from relying on God, not by means of adventuresses exploiting pillow talk to manipulate non-believing Gentile rulers. The mere names of the principals of the tale, Mordecai (Babylonian god Marduk) and Esther (widely worshipped near-Eastern fertility goddess Ishtar/Astarte), and even the name of the villain of the piece (Haman - an Elamite deity) are compelling evidence that this book is of pagan origin and not inspired like the rest of Scripture. The revenge-slaughter of 75,000 at the end of the book that is in no way divinely ordained, the fact that the number of provinces in the Persian empire and many other historical details given in the book contradict information we have from the near-contemporaneous inspired prophetic book of Daniel, indicate how little store we should set by this book. But above all not one line of Esther has a single witness from any other book of Scripture to confirm it. Not one. Therefore it must be rejected as per the Scriptures cited above.

New Testament
The New Testament has only ever begun to be doubted by Christians since Hort and Westcott began to build on the work of the Higher Critics to challenge the authority of the text itself - the Textus Receptus or Received Text. These corrupt worldly-minded scholars latched on to the most corrupt manuscripts they could find, Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, neither of which had ever been in use or accepted by any considerable body of Christians - and both of which had been lying unused and unexplored for centuries in a Greek Orthodox monastery at Mount Sinai and the Vatican library respectively - in order to fashion a New Testament text that would accord with their gnostic and Judaizing temperaments. Both manuscripts are absolutely infested with ommissions and additions which make obvious the gnostic leanings of those followers of Valentinus, Simon Magus and other early gnostics who almost certainly concoted these forgeries with malice aforethought. They disagree with each other in numerous places and they disagree with the received text throughout. Certain tendencies such as constantly ommiting passages in which the full deity of Jesus is asserted clearly evince their Judaizing and gnostic tendency. Here are some links with more information about the work of Hort and Westcott:

http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/Critic ... bs2695.htm
http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/Critic ... hy_use.htm
http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/DeanBurgon/dbs2771.htm

Both of these men, though nominally Anglicans, had strong sympathies with the Roman Catholic church, which from the first has been little more than a corrupt storehouse of Jewish rituals and Babylonian pagan mysteries posing as the church of Christ.

http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

To conclude, I believe that we have available to us today the full and complete revelation of God. But we should take heed to ensure that we are not taken in by the snares of Satan, who indeed has managed - for instance in the overwhelming majority of English translations whose NT text follows Westcott and Hort and descendants of it such as Nestle-Aland - to sow confusion. If we are wise and have the desire for the truth, we will uncover and avoid the lies and stick to the truth. If anyone has been persuaded by this Satan-inspired confusion into believing that their really are inconsistencies and discrepancies in the Bible, I would be very grateful if he or she could set them out in a list so I can tackle them one by one in subsequent posts.

Catweasel (http://ezekiel31army.blogspot.com/) wrote:Dear Cunctator-Thanks for that and Welcome
I see by your name you are not a man who goes rushing in 

Back to Cunctator:

Thank you for your kind comments. You have grasped the significance of my handle. I shall be responding to the points you have raised as I find time through the week. I am happy to make the effort because the spiritual questions you have raised are by far the most important issues that need to be discussed and decided upon on this forum and I believe it is incumbent on me as someone who worships a God and Saviour

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth (I Timothy 2:4)

to set out what I believe to be true. Either there is a universal standard of authority through which this God has given us His full revelation of how we are to please Him, or we are all groping in the dark without hope of anything beyond the life "nasty, brutish and short" which the philosopher Hobbes described. 

I hope to to demonstrate to you that, despite the determined demon-inspired efforts of legions across six millennia, we are not groping in the dark. And that we all have access to a God-given standard of authority which we can put our wholehearted trust in.

Some material on the apostate Roman church from one of the links I supplied:

http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

ROMAN CATHOLICISM

Did the abovementioned Jewish “liturgical customs” which started in Rome somehow find their way into the Church at Rome? Were they little by little incorporated into its worship, which gradually developed into the Roman Catholic Mass? It may come as a surprise to many Catholics that the Catholic Encyclopedia officially defines the Catholic liturgy as a carryover from the Mosaic Law:

“...the word liturgy...is used for the public service of the temple...the function of the priests, the ritual service of the temple... So in Christian use liturgy meant the public official service of the Church, that corresponded to the official service of the Temple in the Old Law.”

After which we find a startling admission, viz., that the Mass was “a Christianized synagogue service” conducted by “learned elders”:

“The Eucharist was always celebrated at the end of a service of lessons, psalms, prayers, and preaching, which was itself merely a continuation of the service of the synagogue. So we have everywhere this double function; first a synagogue service Christianized, in which the holy books were read, psalms were sung, prayers said by the bishop in the name of all (the people answering ‘Amen’ in Hebrew, as had their Jewish forefathers), and homilies, explanations of what had been read, were made by the bishop or priests, just as they had been made in the synagogues by the learned men and elders (e. g., Luke, iv, 16-27)... The likeness between the prayers of thanksgiving (ix-x) and the Jewish forms for blessing bread and wine on the Sabbath (given in the ‘Berakoth’ treatise of the Talmud; cf. Sabatier, ‘La Didache’, Paris, 1885, p. 99) points obviously to derivation from them.”

Little wonder that one Jewish convert to Roman Catholicism made the astounding statement that entering the Catholic Church was not a “conversion” experience for him, but rather a continuation of Judaism. Roy Schoeman, the author of Salvation is from the Jews, confirms as well that the Mass is based on the Jewish ceremonial worship and that Catholic theology is based on the Old Testament!

“As a Jew coming to the Catholic Church, it was natural for me to find the relationship between Judaism and the Catholic Church among the most interesting things in the world. It was obvious to me that for a Jew to enter the Catholic Church wasn’t a matter of conversion at all, but was rather simply coming into the fullness of Judaism — into the form that Judaism took after the coming of the Jewish Messiah.

“Although Catholics are aware of this in principle, they often don’t think of the Catholic Church as the continuation of Judaism after the Messiah... It’s everywhere you look. It’s obviously in the Sacrifice of the Mass and the way the Mass is prefigured in Jewish ceremonial worship. It’s in the role that the Old Testament, Jewish Scripture have in Catholic theology and the structure of the Catholic Faith.” [Seattle Catholic]

A listing of parallels between Roman Catholicism and Judaism, which have analogues in the Eastern Orthodox Church as well, presented us with the startling prospect that Roman Catholicism may have been a Judaized form of Christianity from its inception. In the list of traditions below, links to the Catholic Encyclopedia show that the Roman Catholic Church justifies most of its practices by appealing to the Old Testament. Even in cases where the New Testament is cited as justification, these practices are not required under the New Covenant but have their basis in Judaism.

Priesthood (cf. Levitical priesthood/mediators between God and men)
Pope (cf. Jewish High Priest)
College of Cardinals (70) (cf. seventy elders of Moses/Deut.17:8)
Confession of sins to priest for forgiveness (cf. Lev.5:5)
Daily sacrifice of the Mass (cf. Daily burnt offering / Heb.10:11)
Altars for sacrifices
Altar vessels of gold and silver
Vestments for priests
Cardinals’ skullcap (cf. Jewish yarmulke)
Offertory (cf. Offerings)
Church buildings for worship (cf. Temple)
Liturgy (cf. service of the Temple)
Sunday obligation (cf. Sabbath observance)
Ecclesiastical Feasts (cf. Jewish feasts)
Scapular / Hairshirt (cf. Sackcloth)
Works-based salvation (cf. Mosaic Law)
Sacrament of infant baptism (cf. Rite of Circumcision / Talmud)
Wafer-only Communion (cf. Manna/Shew Bread)
Sacrament of Confirmation (cf. Jewish Bar/Bat Mitzvah)
Burning of candles and incense (cf. Exodus 30)
Holy water font (cf. The Laver / Exodus 40)
No salvation outside the (Catholic) Church (Gentiles must convert to Judaism to be saved)

The following Roman Catholic traditions were not part of the Mosaic Law but were adopted by the Israelites in their apostasy:

Traditions of men (Mark 7:6-13)
Vain repetitions (Lip service (Isa.29:13)
Veneration of saints (Idolatry/pagan gods)
Worship of Mary as Mother of God (Jews worshipped Queen of Heaven / Jer. 44)
Statues/images (images on the walls of Solomon’s Temple) (Ezek 8:10)
Demotion of Jesus to Co-Redeemer (cf. Jews’ denial of Jesus as Messiah)
Preoccupation with Christ’s death rather than resurrection (Jews’ denial of Jesus’ resurrection)

The above is only a partial catalog of Jewish traditions found in Roman Catholicism. The sacerdotal (priesthood) and daily sacrificial systems alone strongly implicate the Roman Catholic Church as, not only a front for apostate Judaism, but as a vehicle for converting Christians, without their knowledge, to the very religious system that rejected Jesus Christ. One commentary compares the Roman Catholic teaching on salvation to that preached in Judaism:

“The Catholic perspective on salvation is largely ‘judaized’ Christianity. In the days of the Apostles, many Jewish Christians believed that Christians had to follow all the requirements of the Mosaic Law, e.g., circumcision, the system of offerings, going to a priest to have sins forgiven, making sacrifices as atonement for sins, etc. A system that requires some type of ‘priest’ to act as an intercessor between the layperson and God is known as a sacerdotal system (from the Latin word sacerdote, meaning ‘priest’.)”

In view of the striking parallels between Roman Catholicism and Judaism, it becomes apparent that Roman Catholicism represents, to a remarkable degree, the triumph of the Judaizers. How did it happen that the doctrines, rites and traditions of Judaism crept into the Church at Rome?

Remo Williams joins:

Hello,

Please may I suggest the following:

http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net 

If you have questions, then this book will answer them for you (IF you let it - Matthew 18:3).



"It is not the Truth that needs to change in order for us to accept it. It is we that need to change, so that we can come to accept the Truth." - Unknown

Enter Gratis:

Douay comes from the Latin Vulgate, compiled by Gnostics at Alexandria Egypt; I'm not versed in it at all, but I believe it has the Apocrapha texts such as Macabbees etc to justify Easter and Christmas and removes Mk 16:9-20 among other changes. Mk 16:15-19 describe Jesus returning physically to the apostles concerning baptism being spiritual, speaking in tongues and healing. The Catholic Church places this firmly in the hands of the Pope as an Apostle descending from Constantine the Great, son of Druid princess Helena. 

Like Sinaiticus, the Syrian or Aramaean version are Gnostic facsimiles which distort prophecy such as 2300 days (Dan 8) being turned into years and Daniels's 70 Weeks (490 Days) into the gobbedy gook most study bibles describe, with 483 years a 7yr Tribulation and Israel Dispensation beginning with the Rapture. 

It's all garbage; 70 Weeks is 490 days; 2300 days is just that. 1260 days is just that. My best guess is we are really close to the start of the 1260 day Great Trib and after the "Strong Delusion" is brought to the world, the lies of the "Beast" will be even more believable. Jesuits started these lies and now we have a Jesuit Pope handing out Indulgences this week to his Social Media faithful. Purgatory? Are they really able to pull this lie off? I have a really bad feeling about this week.
Stuart monarchy returning to Britain as the Sun enters Leo on a Full Moon in Aquarius with Jupiter aligned with Mars? The lyrics to the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius is happening in real life today.
Does this help? Take Care Howard Ratcliffe

For about three hundred years early Christians where being martyred for sport in the Colosseum's of Rome, 5000 in one day at one event. When Satan realised killing Christians wasn't destroying the Church his next effort was to infiltrate it and counterfeit it. That happened well over 1700 years ago, in fact it was already happening in the time of the apostles with false gospels and false teachers abounding. Rome has been powerful for 1000's of years in one form or another. To deny this makes you intellectually immoral.

Genesis was dictated directly to Moses by God, not as a vision. As where most of the books other than of course many prophetic visions of course. never theless all dictated directly by God. What do you think scripture is man, made up fables by mere mortals??

The bible is not a collection from "many different sources", it's source is the Holy Spirit of the living God.

tarting the Foundation

Proving whether something is true or not is called apologetics. This word is derived from the Greek word “apologia,” which means “to defend.” The entire Clarifying Christianity site is filled with apologetics—proofs and explanations for many Christian-related issues. The focus of this page is the proof supporting the accuracy of the Bible. After all, if the Bible is not true or if it is filled with errors, Christianity would only be a “blind faith”—something people believe without any evidence to support it.

However, Christianity is not a blind faith. It is the only religion that can prove itself, and a main source of that proof is the Bible. Although it is becoming less common, there are still people who tell others that they follow Christianity “because it feels right” (or use wording like that). This is unfortunate, since there is a lot of evidence supporting Christianity. The existence of all that evidence is one reason we started this site. We want people to learn about the solid evidence that supports their faith, and have a place that collected that evidence so they can show it to others.

By the way, if you would like some reference materials that are a little more portable than a computer with an Internet connection, a book we recommend is Know Why You Believe by Paul Little. This book is available in larger bookstores and most Christian bookstores. Also, the Tucson Community Church recorded a seminar called “Knowing The Facts Behind The Faith.” It is available on DVD and VHS video (NTSC format). If you are interested in purchasing a copy, you can get one directly from the church that produces them at the Tucson Community Church website. They also handle international orders.
The Proof of Science

There is a great deal of scientific evidence that supports the Bible. Enough that we have a separate page to discuss this proof alone. If you would like to see our science page, click on this sentence.
The Proof of Prophecy

One of the strongest arguments for the accuracy of the Bible is its 100% accuracy in predicting the future. These future predictions are called “prophecies.” The Old Testament was written between approximately 1450 BC and 430 BC. During that time, many predictions of the future were recorded in the Bible by God’s prophets. Of the events that were to have taken place by now, every one happened just the way they predicted it would. No other “sacred writing” has such perfectly accurate predictions of the future.
One Type—The Messianic Prophecies

Of these prophecies, the most striking examples are the predictions about an “anointed one” (“Messiah” in Hebrew) who was to arrive in the future. About 4 BC, a miraculous event occurred—a boy named Jesus was born to a virgin named Mary. You can read His story in the book of Luke. Starting at age 30, Jesus fulfilled more and more of these prophecies written about the Messiah. His fulfillment of these prophecies was very spectacular: Jesus gave sight to the blind, made the lame walk, cured those who had leprosy, gave the deaf hearing, and raised people from the dead! These miracles and others were done many times in front of thousands of witnesses for three years. About 30 AD, Jesus was crucified (a prophecy) and died (a prophecy). Three days later he rose from the dead (another prophecy), after which He was seen by over 500 witnesses. Since these prophecies were written down at least 400 years before they happened, there is no doubt that the Bible’s writers were inspired supernaturally—by God. To examine these prophecies yourself, click on the link below.

The Messianic Prophecies
A Second Type—Fulfilled Prophecy Dealing With Nations

There are many prophecies that can be proven through archaeology, especially prophecy dealing with entire nations. Typically, when God declared judgment on a nation, He would send a prophet to announce to the citizens why He was judging them and what He was going to do to them if they continued their evil behavior. On occasion, God would also tell the citizens how He would reward them if they started doing what was right. The book of Jonah records a case where the Assyrians stopped doing what was evil as a result of Jonah’s short prophecy. This is what God wanted, and God did not punish them as a result of their change of heart. However, most often the people would jeer at God’s prophet and continue their bad behavior—later becoming recipients of the exact punishment that God threatened.

Like other prophecy recorded in the Bible, these predictions support the supernatural inspiration of the Bible. The prophecies recorded in the Bible came true in such a detailed way that they could not have been predicted by chance. Further, archaeologists have evidence that these prophecies were written down many years before they were fulfilled, proving that they were not falsified documents claiming to be prophecies that came true. (The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls stopped the majority of that talk.) Although an entire web site could be filled with this information, we will provide one example—the foretelling of the destruction of Edom and its capital city of Petra.

Click here for an example of fulfilled prophecy dealing with nations
The Proof of Textual Evidence

Both the Old and New Testaments are strongly supported by manuscript evidence (the evidence of early hand written copies). The famous Dead Sea Scrolls are one example of the Old Testament evidence. These documents came from the “library” of a settlement founded at Qumran before 150 B.C. and abandoned about 68 A.D. Some of the manuscript copies were made during that period, and some were written earlier (third century BC) and brought to the settlement. Ignoring spelling-oriented (orthographic) changes and similar small differences, the Dead Sea Scrolls match the Hebrew text behind today’s Old Testament, in spite of the passage of over 2,000 years (where one would expect errors to creep in).

Over 20,000 known manuscripts document the New Testament text. This makes the New Testament the most reliable document of antiquity (a document written before the printing press). These manuscripts vary in size from a part of a page to an entire Bible (Old and New Testaments). The earliest New Testament manuscripts date from the second century (100-199) AD These manuscript copies were written in different languages by people of different nationalities, cultures, and backgrounds. In spite of all those differences between them, the New Testament texts all agree. (That is, those differences that we do observe between these hand written documents are occasional changes in the spelling of names or isolated cases of missing or changed words. Still, since we have so many copies, it is obvious to anyone but the hardened skeptic can that they all represent the same text.)
Note: Those minor differences that do exist between the Old and New Testament manuscripts are interesting for academic reasons. They are the topic of a future “in depth” Clarifying Christianity page. (It is currently about 10,000 words long and still under construction—stay tuned.)

The Proof of People Living at the Time of Christ

Special proof exists for the New Testament, since Christians were strongly persecuted by both the Jews and the Roman government. If the New Testament writings were false, these two groups would have produced a great deal of evidence to stop the growth of this “sect.” None exists. Further, the New Testament writings (before they were assembled into the “book” we call the New Testament) circulated during the lifetimes of thousands of people who had actually seen Jesus’ miracles and other historic events. No one ever refuted the New Testament writings as “fairy tales.”
The Proof of Historians

Secular history supports the Bible. For example, in The Antiquities of the Jews, book 18, chapter 3, paragraph 3 the famous historian Flavius Josephus writes:
“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works—a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.”

In 115 AD, P. Cornelius Tacitus wrote the following passage that refers to Jesus (called “Christus,” which means “The Messiah”) in book 15, chapter 44 of The Annals:
“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.”

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

Gratis: Correcting Christian Identity thesis about the white race

The Key to Adam and Eve are the Words "Created" (Barking) and "Formed" (Mad)

They were formed as a separate "White" Adamite Eloheem Race out of white play doh which could blush and we know black play doh cant blush.

Flesh Bodies for Yahoo's Elect 
This can be carried over to Gen 1:1
And Gen 1:2
The Earth had already been Created (Out of Silly Putty)
There had been a First Earth Age between 1-2 when we were in Heaven with Yahoo in Lycra Tights. 
The Light of the World Rev 21:23
There had been an Insurrection when Yahoo was mounted by Satan
Yahoo had taken one for the team and then Destroyed the Earth
..............was without Form and Void
Gen 1:14-18.............Lights in the Firmament 
Gen 1:28 .................Replenish the Earth
You do not replenish something that had at one Time not already Existed
We are in the Second earth Age now
And awaiting the Day of Yahoo and the New Orleans Anglo Saxon Pipe Band 
The Knowledge of Power forum will be taken Down and Yahoo's Eloheem Seed Sealed ) eeeeeewwwwwwwww!!
The Doors closed (with tissue paper)
There will be No More TV
Which Piss's every one off 
The Third Earth Age - To Be Continued

Catweasel: The Sound of Trumpets Crush the Telmudic Reptile

Gratis did you get a good shine on that Pulpit?
What Lies have you learn't this week?
Hows everything at the Baptist Church anyway?
The King James Bible and the Baptist Church
A lethal Combination
The King James Bible is a corruption from Genesis to the Flood to the New Testament
And you have the Audacity to say it is the Word of God?
What God?
God of the Golden Calf?
Which your Judeo Christian Churchianity Corporate Enterprises Worship?
There is a whole Pantheon of God's
But only one Yahweh
My Father in Heaven
Little Boys is not all King James Diddled
"The Most High and Mighty Prince"
In fact I'm going to put King (Title) James under the Microscope
His Bible and his Self are Reflections of one another
Counterfeit misrepresentations of the Truth
You will know them by the Fruit that they Produce
King James was a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
A Dead Tree
Which produced no Fruit or Bad Fruit
And attempted like all false Papal Religions to lead men away from Yahweh
To prevent the awakening of their Spirituality and Racial Identity
For this he stands Condemned

http://ezekiel31army.blogspot.com/

The next section of the Forum archiving: The 'religious' debate which killed the forum off

As I have been adding the surviving posts from the old forum, I have avoided anything with a religious tone - until now.  

The forum became a bit of a sparring place with anti-zionists battling protocols of zion-deniers.  In our dedicated spiritual section, a British advocate of British Israel - Christian Zionism took to pushing his take on religion and racial matters, to which Christians of various hues fought back, which was sometime amusing, sometimes more like what could be expected from a sermon in church, sometimes a blend of the two.  

There were people who were Christian, Identity Christian, anti-Judaeochristian, etc who confronted the BI BS from a range of perspectives, and inevitably became antagonistic to each other.  The battles between rival 'christians' became akin to the Spanish Civil War, with so many opposing sides that it became an ideological bloodbath (and this is not including the anti-Christian contingent!)  

For the remainder of the forum reposting, the decline into religious dogma/heresy/fantasy will be the subject in hand.  I have saved this area until last, because it is this which killed the forum.  As you read, be aware of the damage of politicised religion and religious politics.  A lot of the posts have gone, due to the excessive number of admins pruning members and posts until nothing made sense.  But some parts survived the purges, and these will be posted over the next week and a bit.....